Trade Deadline Deals

[allnet]

Originally Posted by lawmanfan

Why are you so sure Pettitte is coming back?

Andy is coming back because if he plays baseball,at all, it will be as a Yankee. He is an emblematic Yankee.

The fans and Andy have a love affair. We lost him because management got a little stupid and Clemens influenced him. If Andy pitches like " Big Game Andy" it will always be in pinstripes.

[allnet]

Originally Posted by Moose

He's a Type A Free Agent and would give the Yankees two draft picks. With their pursuit of Lee a certainty I think its pretty likely he's going to have two 1 year stints as a Yankee.

If he, Vasquez pitches, effectively down the stretch, I think that he stays and they try to peddle Burnett. That is assuming that they get Lee. Burnett does not have the consistency to be in the rotation of a championship level team.

CC, Lee Phil,Andy, and Javy. That's a nice starting five Your always going to have question marks but on paper that looks good. Each one of those guys, among other things, has stopper ability.
Andy has to stay young and Javier needs to show that he's got the intestinal fortitude and remaining arm strength to compete at the Yankee level.


Adam Dunn would be a better Yankee fit than a met. He could DH and that Yankee right field porch is really friendly. It looks like he wont be waived through for the Yanks to get a shot at him.

He has defensive limitations but the Mets would gladly trade that off to have him in the lineup. We could move Ike Davis to fill another need, either by himself or with Francoeur and/or a desired prospect.

[marbles]

Originally Posted by allnet

If he, Vasquez pitches, effectively down the stretch, I think that he stays and they try to peddle Burnett. That is assuming that they get Lee. Burnett does not have the consistency to be in the rotation of a championship level team.

CC, Lee Phil,Andy, and Javy. That's a nice starting five Your always going to have question marks but on paper that looks good. Each one of those guys, among other things, has stopper ability.
Andy has to stay young and Javier needs to show that he's got the intestinal fortitude and remaining arm strength to compete at the Yankee level.


Adam Dunn would be a better Yankee fit than a met. He could DH and that Yankee right field porch is really friendly. It looks like he wont be waived through for the Yanks to get a shot at him.

He has defensive limitations but the Mets would gladly trade that off to have him in the lineup. We could move Ike Davis to fill another need, either by himself or with Francoeur and/or a desired prospect.

No way the Mets trade Ike Davis to fill another need and put Dunn at 1B, or any other positon for that matter. Davis comes cheaply, which allows the Mets to improve the team anyway. Not to mention, Davis plays a very good 1B defensively.

Dunn is not a very good player. He does three things on offense, walk, strikeout, or HR.

Us fans were realy upset they haven't been able to develop any talent from within since bringing up Reyes/Wright. Now it looks as if Davis, Pagan (yes he was traded away at one point, and is a late bloomer), and to a lesser extent Thole are maojor leaguers right now, and you want to trade one of them?

You are not a Mets fan right? Just for proposing that type of deal should take away your fandom card immediately.

[tino24]

Originally Posted by allnet

If he, Vasquez pitches, effectively down the stretch, I think that he stays and they try to peddle Burnett. That is assuming that they get Lee. Burnett does not have the consistency to be in the rotation of a championship level team.

CC, Lee Phil,Andy, and Javy. That's a nice starting five Your always going to have question marks but on paper that looks good. Each one of those guys, among other things, has stopper ability.
Andy has to stay young and Javier needs to show that he's got the intestinal fortitude and remaining arm strength to compete at the Yankee level.


Adam Dunn would be a better Yankee fit than a met. He could DH and that Yankee right field porch is really friendly. It looks like he wont be waived through for the Yanks to get a shot at him.

He has defensive limitations but the Mets would gladly trade that off to have him in the lineup. We could move Ike Davis to fill another need, either by himself or with Francoeur and/or a desired prospect.

Yankees are stuck with Burnett unless they want to pay most of his salary to another team-despite his talent he's a .500 pitcher, they severely overpaid for him

I believe Ike Davis is an untouchable-even though he's had ups and downs this year, he's a potential all-star

For what it's worth, I would never trust Javy in a big game, he's a guy who will eat up innings and win 12-14 games during a season, but his first go round with the Yankees, and the comments from Ozzie Guillen reinforce the belief that he's not a big game pitcher

I'd still probably give the nod to Burnett because he has shut down stuff-and if he's bad-you know early so you can get him out of a game

[allnet]

Originally Posted by marbles

No way the Mets trade Ike Davis to fill another need and put Dunn at 1B, or any other positon for that matter. Davis comes cheaply, which allows the Mets to improve the team anyway. Not to mention, Davis plays a very good 1B defensively.

Dunn is not a very good player. He does three things on offense, walk, strikeout, or HR.

Us fans were realy upset they haven't been able to develop any talent from within since bringing up Reyes/Wright. Now it looks as if Davis, Pagan (yes he was traded away at one point, and is a late bloomer), and to a lesser extent Thole are maojor leaguers right now, and you want to trade one of them?

You are not a Mets fan right? Just for proposing that type of deal should take away your fandom card immediately.

yes I am a Mets fan. You sound like a guy who has little tolerance for a difference of opinion. Many Mets fans have differences of opinions. Just because I said I would trade prospects doesn't mean I would trade each and every one. I would be selective, and you should assume that. None of us are idiots.

I wouldn't trade Pagan, although he's still a guess. I would trade Davis if it meant I could get Dunn. I don't even know that the rest of the league shares your high opinion of Davis. He doesn't hit for a a high avg but has some pop. Maybe by the end of the year or next they learn how to pitch him. He is pure speculation. Dunn is reality. Practically alll hR hitters strikeout a great deal. You didn't know that ? Walking is good, I thought !

Dunn is a legitimate homerun /rbi man. Davis is a maybe. So many prospects don't develop that I am a believer that when you are a New York multi media team , you trade certain prospect for established players. Free agency is your friend and you have the bucks to buy good stuff.

[tino24]

Originally Posted by allnet

yes I am a Mets fan. You sound like a guy who has little tolerance for a difference of opinion. Many Mets fans have differences of opinions. Just because I said I would trade prospects doesn't mean I would trade each and every one. I would be selective, and you should assume that. None of us are idiots.

I wouldn't trade Pagan, although he's still a guess. I would trade Davis if it meant I could get Dunn. I don't even know that the rest of the league shares your high opinion of Davis. He doesn't hit for a a high avg but has some pop. Maybe by the end of the year or next they learn how to pitch him. He is pure speculation. Dunn is reality. Practically alll hR hitters strikeout a great deal. You didn't know that ? Walking is good, I thought !

Dunn is a legitimate homerun /rbi man. Davis is a maybe. So many prospects don't develop that I am a believer that when you are a New York multi media team , you trade certain prospect for established players. Free agency is your friend and you have the bucks to buy good stuff.

I would never, ever trade Davis for Dunn-Davis is a good fielder with all-star potential who is about 10 years younger than Dunn-he's probably not better than Dunn today, but is very likely to be better than Dunn shortly, and for the next 12 years!

Dunn, to me, is Dave Kingman-a HR specialist with no other skill who has never played for a legit winning team

[marbles]

Originally Posted by allnet

yes I am a Mets fan. You sound like a guy who has little tolerance for a difference of opinion. Many Mets fans have differences of opinions. Just because I said I would trade prospects doesn't mean I would trade each and every one. I would be selective, and you should assume that. None of us are idiots.

I wouldn't trade Pagan, although he's still a guess. I would trade Davis if it meant I could get Dunn. I don't even know that the rest of the league shares your high opinion of Davis. He doesn't hit for a a high avg but has some pop. Maybe by the end of the year or next they learn how to pitch him. He is pure speculation. Dunn is reality. Practically alll hR hitters strikeout a great deal. You didn't know that ? Walking is good, I thought !

Dunn is a legitimate homerun /rbi man. Davis is a maybe. So many prospects don't develop that I am a believer that when you are a New York multi media team , you trade certain prospect for established players. Free agency is your friend and you have the bucks to buy good stuff.

While I like Davis, the biggest reason I don't trade him is because I don't like Dunn at all, and Dunn is a butcher in the field.

Dunn is 31 and is a big, lumbering guy who will probably break down quicker. Trading for Dunn (he makes $12 million) would take flexibility out of improving the Mets. That's why I think it's a bad idea.

By the way, you are way too sensitive. If you were offended by my post, then I will try to start typing with white gloves, a tux, and a British accent. Maybe then I can appear to be gentlemanly. Would that make you feel as if your opinions were tolerated more?

[allnet]

Originally Posted by marbles

While I like Davis, the biggest reason I don't trade him is because I don't like Dunn at all, and Dunn is a butcher in the field.

Dunn is 31 and is a big, lumbering guy who will probably break down quicker. Trading for Dunn (he makes $12 million) would take flexibility out of improving the Mets. That's why I think it's a bad idea.

By the way, you are way too sensitive. If you were offended by my post, then I will try to start typing with white gloves, a tux, and a British accent. Maybe then I can appear to be gentlemanly. Would that make you feel as if your opinions were tolerated more?

I am soo sensitive that I cry when I watch insurance commercials.

We will see how Adam Dunn plays out. Whether through trade or free agency, let's remember this discussion that we all had.. Lets see how Dunn ends up and how many bucks his new team pays for him. Prince Fielder can hardly move is mucho overweight and is coveted.

My opinion is that for the most part teams pay big for top pitching and long ball hitting.

By the way Marbles--- did you know that Pee Wee Reese, the legendary Dodger shortstop was called Pee Wee because he was a marbles champion ?