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Around the Big East 18/19 3 months 4 weeks ago #349835

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Very good news for the Big East we need to keep our conference coaches from bolting to the power 5.
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Around the Big East 18/19 3 months 4 weeks ago #349836

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Source: Tulane transfer Caleb Daniels just committed to Villanova. Averaged 16.9 PPG & 5.3 RPG last season
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Great that Cooley is staying. He has run a solid program at Providence. Hopefully he gets to the sweet sixteen soon.
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Paultzman wrote: Source: Tulane transfer Caleb Daniels just committed to Villanova. Averaged 16.9 PPG & 5.3 RPG last season
Evan Daniels

Assume he has to sit one to play two? Looks like a decent pickup for Nova.

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NCJohnnie wrote: Paultzman wrote: Source: Tulane transfer Caleb Daniels just committed to Villanova. Averaged 16.9 PPG & 5.3 RPG last season
Evan Daniels

Assume he has to sit one to play two? Looks like a decent pickup for Nova.

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Begrudgingly happy to see Coach Cooley stay at Providence. Although he has hurt us it is obvious that he does an excellent job with what he can get. He is an asset for the Big East Conference and of course the Providence Friars.
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Andrew wrote: Great that Cooley is staying. He has run a solid program at Providence. Hopefully he gets to the sweet sixteen soon.


I hope we beat him to it
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Around the Big East 18/19 3 months 4 weeks ago #349861

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Mike Zaun wrote: I think Cooley is a good coach but a bit exaggerated in terms of just how good. He has shown he can win about 20+ games for PC but has been unable to get those huge national wins that make headlines or do anything in the big dance. He seems like an awesome guy to hang around and he's hilarious. Oozes personality, but just not sure he's the guy who will take PC to the next level...unless of course he does. IMO there are shades of Lavin winning 20+ I believe 3 yrs with us, however they were pretty hollow with ho-hum conference records and pretty much nothing in the big dance. PC has had our number under Cooley but by no means are they some monster. They struggle a lot offensively and lack big time playmakers to lead the team IMO. To be clear, I'd be totally satisfied with what Cooley has done if he was here doing it, however I would also expect him to finally prove he can make a Sweet 16 or something.


Lol. So a page ago you were complaining about how the Big East is doomed since Michigan was poaching Cooley, and now that he's staying you're complaining about how he won't take PC to the next level? Is this supposed to be satire? Same thing happened last month when VT went after Willard.

Here is everything that has happened since realignment 6-7 years ago:

Schools that have not been poached: Seton Hall (turned down Pitt and VT), Providence (turned down Michigan), Villanova (turned down everyone including UCLA and the NBA), Creighton (turned down Ohio St), Georgetown (Ewing won't leave unless for the NBA possibly), St. John's, DePaul. Bonus: Marquette (Wojo) turned down VT according to the VT message board,
Schools that have been poached: Marquette (VT), Butler (NBA/Ohio St), Xavier (Louisville)

So 1 coach was poached during year 1 by a meh ACC school. Buzz's replacement Wojo then turned down the same exact school last month. That to me sounds like progress.

The other 3 coaches were taken by powerhouses Louisville, Ohio St, and the Boston Celtics. Those are some of the highest paid basketball jobs in the country. They were also taken from recently added Big East teams (formerly A10) and not the old guard.

Then we have tons of known attempts to poach Big East coaches from the NBA, UCLA, Ohio St, Michigan, Pitt, and likely dozens of others that were never made public.

Meanwhile, other conferences including the two biggest ones were poached this year: ACC (by the SEC) / B1G (by the NBA). The Big East has kept everyone even after that awful Tournament performance.

Really makes you wonder why some fans choose to push a false narrative. Thank God those in charge have more sense.


Adam, ask any national hoops pundit without bias towards Big East about this. Again, you can be both a huge fan of SJ but also have real critiques...and you can be both a huge fan of the Big East but also have real critiques simultaneously. The Big East succeeded in transforming Nova into a blue blood and being the strongest conference top to bottom in America. It has succeeded with tourney bids and solidified itself as a major conference even post realignment which many did not expect. However, the tournament performances post realignment has been awful aside from Villanova and one year each or so from Butler and Xavier. Those two programs are rebuilding and lost their coaches that took them deep. We look great during the regular season but then we open the door to criticism from pundits when we lose immediately in the tourney. You don't think that affects perception? This has been a consistent theme, not 1 year.

The common fan thinks the Big East is dead...I know because when I talk hoops with average fans they say "Didn't Syracuse and UConn leave? It's not the same". We have done well in spite of all the realignment, however we still have to prove ourselves and we are still seen as just VIllanova like it or not. This is why I'm worried about perception. I know we need a strong core of big time coaches to stay for at least a decade if we want consistency and good perception. I'm happy so far with MA but remember we were turned down by Hurley for Arizona State which is a joke of a basketball school traditionally. Money matters and I just worry about our ability to hire big time coaches and keep big time coaches if they develop into them. It's completely rational and pundits would agree with me. I'm impressed and glad Cooley stayed away from Michigan which helps perception, however these concerns will continue to come up. Every time a F5 coach leaves or gets fired, it seems BE coaches are on the top of the list. That won't change and not all will turn them down like Willard, Wright, Cooley, etc. I know it's part of the game but I don't remember this coaching carousel in the old Big East.

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Mike Zaun wrote:

Adam wrote:

Mike Zaun wrote: I think Cooley is a good coach but a bit exaggerated in terms of just how good. He has shown he can win about 20+ games for PC but has been unable to get those huge national wins that make headlines or do anything in the big dance. He seems like an awesome guy to hang around and he's hilarious. Oozes personality, but just not sure he's the guy who will take PC to the next level...unless of course he does. IMO there are shades of Lavin winning 20+ I believe 3 yrs with us, however they were pretty hollow with ho-hum conference records and pretty much nothing in the big dance. PC has had our number under Cooley but by no means are they some monster. They struggle a lot offensively and lack big time playmakers to lead the team IMO. To be clear, I'd be totally satisfied with what Cooley has done if he was here doing it, however I would also expect him to finally prove he can make a Sweet 16 or something.


Lol. So a page ago you were complaining about how the Big East is doomed since Michigan was poaching Cooley, and now that he's staying you're complaining about how he won't take PC to the next level? Is this supposed to be satire? Same thing happened last month when VT went after Willard.

Here is everything that has happened since realignment 6-7 years ago:

Schools that have not been poached: Seton Hall (turned down Pitt and VT), Providence (turned down Michigan), Villanova (turned down everyone including UCLA and the NBA), Creighton (turned down Ohio St), Georgetown (Ewing won't leave unless for the NBA possibly), St. John's, DePaul. Bonus: Marquette (Wojo) turned down VT according to the VT message board,
Schools that have been poached: Marquette (VT), Butler (NBA/Ohio St), Xavier (Louisville)

So 1 coach was poached during year 1 by a meh ACC school. Buzz's replacement Wojo then turned down the same exact school last month. That to me sounds like progress.

The other 3 coaches were taken by powerhouses Louisville, Ohio St, and the Boston Celtics. Those are some of the highest paid basketball jobs in the country. They were also taken from recently added Big East teams (formerly A10) and not the old guard.

Then we have tons of known attempts to poach Big East coaches from the NBA, UCLA, Ohio St, Michigan, Pitt, and likely dozens of others that were never made public.

Meanwhile, other conferences including the two biggest ones were poached this year: ACC (by the SEC) / B1G (by the NBA). The Big East has kept everyone even after that awful Tournament performance.

Really makes you wonder why some fans choose to push a false narrative. Thank God those in charge have more sense.


Adam, ask any national hoops pundit without bias towards Big East about this. Again, you can be both a huge fan of SJ but also have real critiques...and you can be both a huge fan of the Big East but also have real critiques simultaneously. The Big East succeeded in transforming Nova into a blue blood and being the strongest conference top to bottom in America. It has succeeded with tourney bids and solidified itself as a major conference even post realignment which many did not expect. However, the tournament performances post realignment has been awful aside from Villanova and one year each or so from Butler and Xavier. Those two programs are rebuilding and lost their coaches that took them deep. We look great during the regular season but then we open the door to criticism from pundits when we lose immediately in the tourney. You don't think that affects perception? This has been a consistent theme, not 1 year.

The common fan thinks the Big East is dead...I know because when I talk hoops with average fans they say "Didn't Syracuse and UConn leave? It's not the same". We have done well in spite of all the realignment, however we still have to prove ourselves and we are still seen as just VIllanova like it or not. This is why I'm worried about perception. I know we need a strong core of big time coaches to stay for at least a decade if we want consistency and good perception. I'm happy so far with MA but remember we were turned down by Hurley for Arizona State which is a joke of a basketball school traditionally. Money matters and I just worry about our ability to hire big time coaches and keep big time coaches if they develop into them. It's completely rational and pundits would agree with me. I'm impressed and glad Cooley stayed away from Michigan which helps perception, however these concerns will continue to come up. Every time a F5 coach leaves or gets fired, it seems BE coaches are on the top of the list. That won't change and not all will turn them down like Willard, Wright, Cooley, etc. I know it's part of the game but I don't remember this coaching carousel in the old Big East.


You begin this post by pivoting to the Big East's tournament performance. As I said a few pages back, I obviously agree that some of the other 9 teams in our league need to step up (which I fully expect to happen). At the same time, Nova winning it all 2X is the best single thing any of us could have hoped for. If given the option, how many of us would redo tournaments for the past 6 years (not counting St. John's) and perhaps get more teams to the second weekends but risk missing out on those Titles? For me, the answer would be an obvious "no". Jenkin's shot is perhaps the greatest moment in Tournament history.

"The common fan thinks the Big East is dead" is ridiculous and based purely on anecdote. Are you talking with salty UConn fans? Or simply people with zero knowledge of the game who maybe fill out an office bracket once every few years? The common fan knows the league is not as elite as it was 7 years ago, that is just a fact and old news from 7 years ago. You can look no further than 10 teams vs 15 and know we were never sending 11 teams to the Tournament again. However, thinking we are dead makes no sense when our conference tournament sells better than every conference in the country and Nova has been the most relevant team in college basketball over the past 6 years.

The best thing is that there is a LOT of room for improvement going forward, especially if teams like Georgetown, St. John's, and DePaul can get things going. All 3 are on the right track and it wouldn't shock to see all 3 make the Tournament a couple years from now. If we are "dead" now, then we might need a second Garden for when we finally wake up. No idea how they're going to keep up with ticket demand!

Getting back to the topic, equating "interest" in our coaches with "leaving" is insane. There is interest in them because they have been damn good for a long time now. A much more rationale way of looking at this is saying "Wow, Ed Cooley just turned down blue blood Michigan so he can stay at PC! That has got to raise PC's profile!"

Here are the facts: during the past couple months, UCLA, Michigan, Virginia Tech, and likely many others have tried to poach Wright, Cooley, Wojo, and Willard. You panicked every time it was about to happen. Now that NONE of that happened, you are somehow saying it's still a bad thing that elite schools like Michigan and UCLA got turned down by our coaches? You just find fault no matter what happens, as shown in your complete 180 on Cooley. Just admit that it has been a damn impressive "coaching carousel" year for the Big East, especially when the ACC, AAC, B1G, and others can't say the same.
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