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SHAMORI PONDS DRAFT PROJECTION & SIMON ??? 4 months 2 weeks ago #347175

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Beast of the East wrote: While I totally get the concept of making money somewhere playing basketball, it's too bad what is left out of the decision or at least minimized is the dollar value of the year in college.

In one year Simon as a grad student could go a long way towards completing an MBA at zero cost to him. Let's put that value at $55000, although at many schools that number would be $70,000 plus. Ponds would have post playing years career opportunities jump immeasurably by having a degree.

I dont know what the average career length is bangingvaroubd the world but along the way the $100k or so wont go very far in supporting a wife and kids.

For an extended period I dealt with Kevin Mawae's wife. Kevin was at the tail end of a stellar NFL career, yet was working on a post grad degree at Hofstra. He was already looking forward to the next chapter of his life, was making think $5 million per season, yet was paying tuition out of pocket because he knew it would help him.

Unfortunately college kids are surrounded by handlers who undervalue education because many of them don't have one.

We all live by our choices and ponds and Simon are more than free to make theirs. Should be vcd with our blessing because they ate living their lives as they see fit.

Felipe stayed in school largely because a degree was immensely important to his family. It was part of attaining the American dream for a family of immigrants. It probably helped him land the NBA job he has today.

Rysheed Jordan quit school essentially the day he decided his next stop would be the NBA. Imagine how simply going to class and being allowed to change his mind altered his life instead of how it unfolded.

So many of our alums have had great post basketball careers. I thing John farmer became a lawyer and CEO, Frank Gilroy's successful on wall street. Diakite a pharmacy grad. Mckoy a hs principal, Carter a high school vice principal.

School.isn't for everyone but simply getting your degree changes your life


Beast, very well put. The only thing I'll add is I've heard of players coming back to finish their degree once their playing career is over. From what I understand, the school allows them to complete it at no cost. Maybe one day they will take advantage.


I'm going to check if that's the case when I get the chance. If so, it's very generous of the school to go above and beyond what they are required to do. Even to be on the coaching staff at a high school or college often requires a college degree.

To that extent I don't really dive a damn about the values of these kids to our basketball team. It's what's in their long term best interest, and while I fully support their ability to make their own decisions as they see fit, just think the long view would favor sticking around and getting a degree.

Back in the day, Curtis Redding took a Kansas St. team to the Final Four (I believe as a freshman). He was so popular someone wrote him in as Student body president and he almost won. Sophomore jinx got him, and he was run out of town, where he ended up at SJU. We were thrilled to get a talent like that, but he played just as badly for us, eventually replaced in the starting lineup by Gilroy I believe. The story goes that Redding was so pissed, he openly started rooting for an opponent on the day he was benched. Left school shortly after. I remember him being spotted a couple of years later without a degree, working as a security guard in a store. Basketball isn't forever. A degree is.

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SHAMORI PONDS DRAFT PROJECTION & SIMON ??? 4 months 2 weeks ago #347181

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I understand Beast's point and in a perfect world it's all good.

My thoughts on this are there are two kinds of guys who join college basketball teams. Guys who were going to go to college, basketball or not, and guys who are only in college to play basketball.

The first group of guys who were going to go to college are likely to continue their education in some manner early entry or not.

The second group will have some guys go early entry, s and some guys who play it out four years. SOme will leave with a degree or return to get one and some won't. But all the guys who get a degree, sooner or later, are gravy for society.

It's nice to think that everyone should go to college and everyone who does should get a degree but I just am happy that a game I love to watch also helps some guys get an education they might not otherwise have received.

Remember, the national 6 year grad rate is only 59%. I don't expect guys who go to school just to play ball to exceed that figure.

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SHAMORI PONDS DRAFT PROJECTION & SIMON ??? 4 months 2 weeks ago #347183

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Beast of the East wrote:

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Beast of the East wrote: While I totally get the concept of making money somewhere playing basketball, it's too bad what is left out of the decision or at least minimized is the dollar value of the year in college.

In one year Simon as a grad student could go a long way towards completing an MBA at zero cost to him. Let's put that value at $55000, although at many schools that number would be $70,000 plus. Ponds would have post playing years career opportunities jump immeasurably by having a degree.

I dont know what the average career length is bangingvaroubd the world but along the way the $100k or so wont go very far in supporting a wife and kids.

For an extended period I dealt with Kevin Mawae's wife. Kevin was at the tail end of a stellar NFL career, yet was working on a post grad degree at Hofstra. He was already looking forward to the next chapter of his life, was making think $5 million per season, yet was paying tuition out of pocket because he knew it would help him.

Unfortunately college kids are surrounded by handlers who undervalue education because many of them don't have one.

We all live by our choices and ponds and Simon are more than free to make theirs. Should be vcd with our blessing because they ate living their lives as they see fit.

Felipe stayed in school largely because a degree was immensely important to his family. It was part of attaining the American dream for a family of immigrants. It probably helped him land the NBA job he has today.

Rysheed Jordan quit school essentially the day he decided his next stop would be the NBA. Imagine how simply going to class and being allowed to change his mind altered his life instead of how it unfolded.

So many of our alums have had great post basketball careers. I thing John farmer became a lawyer and CEO, Frank Gilroy's successful on wall street. Diakite a pharmacy grad. Mckoy a hs principal, Carter a high school vice principal.

School.isn't for everyone but simply getting your degree changes your life


Beast, very well put. The only thing I'll add is I've heard of players coming back to finish their degree once their playing career is over. From what I understand, the school allows them to complete it at no cost. Maybe one day they will take advantage.


I'm going to check if that's the case when I get the chance. If so, it's very generous of the school to go above and beyond what they are required to do. Even to be on the coaching staff at a high school or college often requires a college degree.

To that extent I don't really dive a damn about the values of these kids to our basketball team. It's what's in their long term best interest, and while I fully support their ability to make their own decisions as they see fit, just think the long view would favor sticking around and getting a degree.

Back in the day, Curtis Redding took a Kansas St. team to the Final Four (I believe as a freshman). He was so popular someone wrote him in as Student body president and he almost won. Sophomore jinx got him, and he was run out of town, where he ended up at SJU. We were thrilled to get a talent like that, but he played just as badly for us, eventually replaced in the starting lineup by Gilroy I believe. The story goes that Redding was so pissed, he openly started rooting for an opponent on the day he was benched. Left school shortly after. I remember him being spotted a couple of years later without a degree, working as a security guard in a store. Basketball isn't forever. A degree is.


The only thing in favor of not sticking around and potentially finishing after their career, this is one of their prime earning years they'd be missing out on.

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SHAMORI PONDS DRAFT PROJECTION & SIMON ??? 4 months 2 weeks ago #347194

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I'm gonna go against popular opinion here and say that I think Shamorie projects as a top 4 PG in this guard-weak draft. I also think that he will get a chance to carve out a nice career ala Patty Mills. A bench player who gets respect around the league. The one thing Mullin is capable of is getting the ears of NBA management, who probably respects him, and doesn't give a damn about his coaching abilities. That alone should at least get Slick an assist in his career.

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SHAMORI PONDS DRAFT PROJECTION & SIMON ??? 4 months 2 weeks ago #347247

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Its*Over*Johnny wrote: I'm gonna go against popular opinion here and say that I think Shamorie projects as a top 4 PG in this guard-weak draft. I also think that he will get a chance to carve out a nice career ala Patty Mills. A bench player who gets respect around the league. The one thing Mullin is capable of is getting the ears of NBA management, who probably respects him, and doesn't give a damn about his coaching abilities. That alone should at least get Slick an assist in his career.


I'm not sure that Mullin believes Ponds is an NBA player. I've heard the opposite, but that was before this season

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SHAMORI PONDS DRAFT PROJECTION & SIMON ??? 4 months 2 weeks ago #347248

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austour wrote: I understand Beast's point and in a perfect world it's all good.

My thoughts on this are there are two kinds of guys who join college basketball teams. Guys who were going to go to college, basketball or not, and guys who are only in college to play basketball.

The first group of guys who were going to go to college are likely to continue their education in some manner early entry or not.

The second group will have some guys go early entry, s and some guys who play it out four years. SOme will leave with a degree or return to get one and some won't. But all the guys who get a degree, sooner or later, are gravy for society.

It's nice to think that everyone should go to college and everyone who does should get a degree but I just am happy that a game I love to watch also helps some guys get an education they might not otherwise have received.

Remember, the national 6 year grad rate is only 59%. I don't expect guys who go to school just to play ball to exceed that figure.


Agree. To your point, Felipe said in the q&a that followed the ESPN event was that overwhelmingly top players have no interest in getting their degree and are thinking they are just looking for the fastest way to the nba.

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SHAMORI PONDS DRAFT PROJECTION & SIMON ??? 4 months 2 weeks ago #347262

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Beast of the East wrote:

Room112 wrote:

Beast of the East wrote: While I totally get the concept of making money somewhere playing basketball, it's too bad what is left out of the decision or at least minimized is the dollar value of the year in college.

In one year Simon as a grad student could go a long way towards completing an MBA at zero cost to him. Let's put that value at $55000, although at many schools that number would be $70,000 plus. Ponds would have post playing years career opportunities jump immeasurably by having a degree.

I dont know what the average career length is bangingvaroubd the world but along the way the $100k or so wont go very far in supporting a wife and kids.

For an extended period I dealt with Kevin Mawae's wife. Kevin was at the tail end of a stellar NFL career, yet was working on a post grad degree at Hofstra. He was already looking forward to the next chapter of his life, was making think $5 million per season, yet was paying tuition out of pocket because he knew it would help him.

Unfortunately college kids are surrounded by handlers who undervalue education because many of them don't have one.

We all live by our choices and ponds and Simon are more than free to make theirs. Should be vcd with our blessing because they ate living their lives as they see fit.

Felipe stayed in school largely because a degree was immensely important to his family. It was part of attaining the American dream for a family of immigrants. It probably helped him land the NBA job he has today.

Rysheed Jordan quit school essentially the day he decided his next stop would be the NBA. Imagine how simply going to class and being allowed to change his mind altered his life instead of how it unfolded.

So many of our alums have had great post basketball careers. I thing John farmer became a lawyer and CEO, Frank Gilroy's successful on wall street. Diakite a pharmacy grad. Mckoy a hs principal, Carter a high school vice principal.

School.isn't for everyone but simply getting your degree changes your life


Beast, very well put. The only thing I'll add is I've heard of players coming back to finish their degree once their playing career is over. From what I understand, the school allows them to complete it at no cost. Maybe one day they will take advantage.


I'm going to check if that's the case when I get the chance. If so, it's very generous of the school to go above and beyond what they are required to do. Even to be on the coaching staff at a high school or college often requires a college degree.

To that extent I don't really dive a damn about the values of these kids to our basketball team. It's what's in their long term best interest, and while I fully support their ability to make their own decisions as they see fit, just think the long view would favor sticking around and getting a degree.

Back in the day, Curtis Redding took a Kansas St. team to the Final Four (I believe as a freshman). He was so popular someone wrote him in as Student body president and he almost won. Sophomore jinx got him, and he was run out of town, where he ended up at SJU. We were thrilled to get a talent like that, but he played just as badly for us, eventually replaced in the starting lineup by Gilroy I believe. The story goes that Redding was so pissed, he openly started rooting for an opponent on the day he was benched. Left school shortly after. I remember him being spotted a couple of years later without a degree, working as a security guard in a store. Basketball isn't forever. A degree is.


True about him sitting on the bench rooting for the other team only it was Goodwin who replaced him joining a starting five of Mckoy, Gilroy, Russell and Washington (who had taken over for Garrison).
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SHAMORI PONDS DRAFT PROJECTION & SIMON ??? 4 months 2 weeks ago #347298

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Umm...did somebody read my post comparing Shamorie to Mills? Very weird...

www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bulls/why-bull...rie-ponds-no-38-pick

Also, here's a great analytical breakdown of the PG prospects in the draft

www.thestepien.com/2019/04/19/draft-note...-smaller-playmakers/

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SHAMORI PONDS DRAFT PROJECTION & SIMON ??? 4 months 2 weeks ago #347300

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I'll be rooting for him but IMO Ponds is too short, too slight and too inaccurate a three point shooter to make today's NBA.

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SHAMORI PONDS DRAFT PROJECTION & SIMON ??? 4 months 2 weeks ago #347301

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Enright wrote: I'll be rooting for him but IMO Ponds is too short, too slight and too inaccurate a three point shooter to make today's NBA.


But, another year here was not going to change those things (except maybe slightly better three point shooting), so I totally, 100% understood his decision to leave.
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