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(POST GAME) Butler, Tues. Dec. 31, 7:30pm, FS-1, 970AM 2 weeks 3 days ago #370390

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Pull up jumpers are a lot easier to make that knocking down a standstill shot.

Michael jordan and Dwayne wade are great examples of guys who can hit off the dribble but were not knock down, standstill shooters. if you kicked it out to these guys they are going to drive and pull up or go all the way to the basket. Dunn is sort of like like.

We need guys who knock down stand still jumpers. Get a rebound and kick it out for a 3. Creighton has about 3 or 4 of those guys. We have none.

I thought Caraher was that guy. But he has no confidence out there. Maybe that big 3 he hit last game will change that but as of now, he isnt that guy.

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(POST GAME) Butler, Tues. Dec. 31, 7:30pm, FS-1, 970AM 2 weeks 3 days ago #370392

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Section9 wrote:

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Logen wrote: After we squandered leads in previous games, many, including myself, talked about basketball being a game of runs and it is. So we had a tremendous 2nd half run, got a lead late and then couldn’t close it out. It’s about W’s and L’s and in my opinion there are no moral victories and that was a bad loss. Another example of us not knowing how to play with a lead. And I may be harsh but Dunn backing that ball out was a “me” play and I just don’t see it.


Great point on Dunn play, inexplicable.


Yeah, I get that but that's an NYC pg mentality. He wants the ball in the end. Seems we forgot what he did against wvu at the end. You've got to live with it, good or bad until this team has more offensive talent.


I did not comment on him having the ball, I commented on what he did with it. Having said that, In
don’t buy that “NYC guard” or having to live with poor decisions in the end game for a second. Just because someone wants the ball doesn’t mean they should have it. He made a good play against WVU but one play does not give him a free pass to do whatever he wants at the end of games. He scores because he is a volume shooter not because he is anything other than an average offensive player. Frankly and unfortunately, we have a team of them, including, up to now, Heron and Figueroa.
One last point, no way in hell did we lose that game because of the last play. I just thought he made a very poor decision and pointed it out.


Okay, on that last play who else was going to take that shot? Perhaps the play was drawn up for him. Frankly I don't think anybody on the floor, including LJ who was cold, wanted that responsibility, because he got the ball and gave it right back.

As we have both stated, we don't have the scorers right now. Maybe Heron when he comes back, maybe LJ if he wasn't in lala land, but that night Dunn was the man. Should he have backed the ball out, no, but that's the way it played out.

And BTW, he also tied the Vermont game for us on a last second shot in regulation, so he's got some cred in my book.


Again, did you even read my posts? I commented on what he DID, I never once commented on whether he should have had the ball. At least read and understand my point if you want to discuss something I post. And for the record, I am not a big fan of Dunn’s offensively but we are offensively challenged up and down the line so IMO we don’t have a “go to” guy. I am also not a fan of the “one guy, hero ball” at the end of games so I would rather stay in the team concept. Just my opinion.


Uhh, okay my reading comprehension is not up to your standards.

But, I get the team concept, so reread my posts, of the team on the floor for that last play who would you have run the play for?


Your reading comprehension is not up to any standards. I am not the coach, I do not know what options for a last play the team has so I really can’t answer your hypothetical, but here are my thoughts. What I would not do is clear out for anyone. If it was in their arsenal I would have run multiple screens for Figueroa coming from weak side to ball side to force the defense to move and hopefully have to switch and create confusion but nonetheless giving him the option to either shoot off the screen if open or drive to shoot or dish and crash the boards with everyone else. Create a triple threat situation if you will. But (pun intended) I am clearly not a fan of clear outs, too stagnant and predictable.
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(POST GAME) Butler, Tues. Dec. 31, 7:30pm, FS-1, 970AM 2 weeks 3 days ago #370410

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That’s why I am afraid. Can lose a bunch of games due to our poor shooting don’t see that improving much

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Logen wrote:

Section9 wrote:

Logen wrote:

Section9 wrote:

Logen wrote:

Section9 wrote:

Paultzman wrote:

Logen wrote: After we squandered leads in previous games, many, including myself, talked about basketball being a game of runs and it is. So we had a tremendous 2nd half run, got a lead late and then couldn’t close it out. It’s about W’s and L’s and in my opinion there are no moral victories and that was a bad loss. Another example of us not knowing how to play with a lead. And I may be harsh but Dunn backing that ball out was a “me” play and I just don’t see it.


Great point on Dunn play, inexplicable.


Yeah, I get that but that's an NYC pg mentality. He wants the ball in the end. Seems we forgot what he did against wvu at the end. You've got to live with it, good or bad until this team has more offensive talent.


I did not comment on him having the ball, I commented on what he did with it. Having said that, In
don’t buy that “NYC guard” or having to live with poor decisions in the end game for a second. Just because someone wants the ball doesn’t mean they should have it. He made a good play against WVU but one play does not give him a free pass to do whatever he wants at the end of games. He scores because he is a volume shooter not because he is anything other than an average offensive player. Frankly and unfortunately, we have a team of them, including, up to now, Heron and Figueroa.
One last point, no way in hell did we lose that game because of the last play. I just thought he made a very poor decision and pointed it out.


Okay, on that last play who else was going to take that shot? Perhaps the play was drawn up for him. Frankly I don't think anybody on the floor, including LJ who was cold, wanted that responsibility, because he got the ball and gave it right back.

As we have both stated, we don't have the scorers right now. Maybe Heron when he comes back, maybe LJ if he wasn't in lala land, but that night Dunn was the man. Should he have backed the ball out, no, but that's the way it played out.

And BTW, he also tied the Vermont game for us on a last second shot in regulation, so he's got some cred in my book.


Again, did you even read my posts? I commented on what he DID, I never once commented on whether he should have had the ball. At least read and understand my point if you want to discuss something I post. And for the record, I am not a big fan of Dunn’s offensively but we are offensively challenged up and down the line so IMO we don’t have a “go to” guy. I am also not a fan of the “one guy, hero ball” at the end of games so I would rather stay in the team concept. Just my opinion.


Uhh, okay my reading comprehension is not up to your standards.

But, I get the team concept, so reread my posts, of the team on the floor for that last play who would you have run the play for?


Your reading comprehension is not up to any standards. I am not the coach, I do not know what options for a last play the team has so I really can’t answer your hypothetical, but here are my thoughts. What I would not do is clear out for anyone. If it was in their arsenal I would have run multiple screens for Figueroa coming from weak side to ball side to force the defense to move and hopefully have to switch and create confusion but nonetheless giving him the option to either shoot off the screen if open or drive to shoot or dish and crash the boards with everyone else. Create a triple threat situation if you will. But (pun intended) I am clearly not a fan of clear outs, too stagnant and predictable.


Wow, great plan.

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Section9 wrote:

Logen wrote:

Section9 wrote:

Logen wrote:

Section9 wrote:

Logen wrote:

Section9 wrote:

Paultzman wrote:

Logen wrote: After we squandered leads in previous games, many, including myself, talked about basketball being a game of runs and it is. So we had a tremendous 2nd half run, got a lead late and then couldn’t close it out. It’s about W’s and L’s and in my opinion there are no moral victories and that was a bad loss. Another example of us not knowing how to play with a lead. And I may be harsh but Dunn backing that ball out was a “me” play and I just don’t see it.


Great point on Dunn play, inexplicable.


Yeah, I get that but that's an NYC pg mentality. He wants the ball in the end. Seems we forgot what he did against wvu at the end. You've got to live with it, good or bad until this team has more offensive talent.


I did not comment on him having the ball, I commented on what he did with it. Having said that, In
don’t buy that “NYC guard” or having to live with poor decisions in the end game for a second. Just because someone wants the ball doesn’t mean they should have it. He made a good play against WVU but one play does not give him a free pass to do whatever he wants at the end of games. He scores because he is a volume shooter not because he is anything other than an average offensive player. Frankly and unfortunately, we have a team of them, including, up to now, Heron and Figueroa.
One last point, no way in hell did we lose that game because of the last play. I just thought he made a very poor decision and pointed it out.


Okay, on that last play who else was going to take that shot? Perhaps the play was drawn up for him. Frankly I don't think anybody on the floor, including LJ who was cold, wanted that responsibility, because he got the ball and gave it right back.

As we have both stated, we don't have the scorers right now. Maybe Heron when he comes back, maybe LJ if he wasn't in lala land, but that night Dunn was the man. Should he have backed the ball out, no, but that's the way it played out.

And BTW, he also tied the Vermont game for us on a last second shot in regulation, so he's got some cred in my book.


Again, did you even read my posts? I commented on what he DID, I never once commented on whether he should have had the ball. At least read and understand my point if you want to discuss something I post. And for the record, I am not a big fan of Dunn’s offensively but we are offensively challenged up and down the line so IMO we don’t have a “go to” guy. I am also not a fan of the “one guy, hero ball” at the end of games so I would rather stay in the team concept. Just my opinion.


Uhh, okay my reading comprehension is not up to your standards.

But, I get the team concept, so reread my posts, of the team on the floor for that last play who would you have run the play for?


Your reading comprehension is not up to any standards. I am not the coach, I do not know what options for a last play the team has so I really can’t answer your hypothetical, but here are my thoughts. What I would not do is clear out for anyone. If it was in their arsenal I would have run multiple screens for Figueroa coming from weak side to ball side to force the defense to move and hopefully have to switch and create confusion but nonetheless giving him the option to either shoot off the screen if open or drive to shoot or dish and crash the boards with everyone else. Create a triple threat situation if you will. But (pun intended) I am clearly not a fan of clear outs, too stagnant and predictable.


Wow, great plan.


I realized that since I wrote it in complex sentences you wouldn’t be able to read and understand it so your sophomoric response is about what I expected.

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Logen wrote:

Section9 wrote:

Logen wrote:

Section9 wrote:

Logen wrote:

Section9 wrote:

Logen wrote:

Section9 wrote:

Paultzman wrote:

Logen wrote: After we squandered leads in previous games, many, including myself, talked about basketball being a game of runs and it is. So we had a tremendous 2nd half run, got a lead late and then couldn’t close it out. It’s about W’s and L’s and in my opinion there are no moral victories and that was a bad loss. Another example of us not knowing how to play with a lead. And I may be harsh but Dunn backing that ball out was a “me” play and I just don’t see it.


Great point on Dunn play, inexplicable.


Yeah, I get that but that's an NYC pg mentality. He wants the ball in the end. Seems we forgot what he did against wvu at the end. You've got to live with it, good or bad until this team has more offensive talent.


I did not comment on him having the ball, I commented on what he did with it. Having said that, In
don’t buy that “NYC guard” or having to live with poor decisions in the end game for a second. Just because someone wants the ball doesn’t mean they should have it. He made a good play against WVU but one play does not give him a free pass to do whatever he wants at the end of games. He scores because he is a volume shooter not because he is anything other than an average offensive player. Frankly and unfortunately, we have a team of them, including, up to now, Heron and Figueroa.
One last point, no way in hell did we lose that game because of the last play. I just thought he made a very poor decision and pointed it out.


Okay, on that last play who else was going to take that shot? Perhaps the play was drawn up for him. Frankly I don't think anybody on the floor, including LJ who was cold, wanted that responsibility, because he got the ball and gave it right back.

As we have both stated, we don't have the scorers right now. Maybe Heron when he comes back, maybe LJ if he wasn't in lala land, but that night Dunn was the man. Should he have backed the ball out, no, but that's the way it played out.

And BTW, he also tied the Vermont game for us on a last second shot in regulation, so he's got some cred in my book.


Again, did you even read my posts? I commented on what he DID, I never once commented on whether he should have had the ball. At least read and understand my point if you want to discuss something I post. And for the record, I am not a big fan of Dunn’s offensively but we are offensively challenged up and down the line so IMO we don’t have a “go to” guy. I am also not a fan of the “one guy, hero ball” at the end of games so I would rather stay in the team concept. Just my opinion.


Uhh, okay my reading comprehension is not up to your standards.

But, I get the team concept, so reread my posts, of the team on the floor for that last play who would you have run the play for?


Your reading comprehension is not up to any standards. I am not the coach, I do not know what options for a last play the team has so I really can’t answer your hypothetical, but here are my thoughts. What I would not do is clear out for anyone. If it was in their arsenal I would have run multiple screens for Figueroa coming from weak side to ball side to force the defense to move and hopefully have to switch and create confusion but nonetheless giving him the option to either shoot off the screen if open or drive to shoot or dish and crash the boards with everyone else. Create a triple threat situation if you will. But (pun intended) I am clearly not a fan of clear outs, too stagnant and predictable.


Wow, great plan.


I realized that since I wrote it in complex sentences you wouldn’t be able to read and understand it so your sophomoric response is about what I expected.


You can't even take a compliment.

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(POST GAME) Butler, Tues. Dec. 31, 7:30pm, FS-1, 970AM 2 weeks 3 days ago #370458

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newsman13 wrote: The bottom line is you can't win games without shooters...and we have no shooters. We "solved" the free throw problem that killed us earlier in the year...so maybe.

I don't think anyone in the country defends as well as we do...but with no one who can shoot...we're toast.


LJ, Heron and Caraher can all shoot from beyond 3. Wish we ran more plays for Caraher to get him open, since he can’t create for himself. Champ has shown the ability to hit the open 3, and think Dunn has potential to be a good outside shooter with work. Butler defense gave him the open shot, which he couldn’t hit. If he can start nailing that shot with some regularity, then his drive becomes that much more effective. Think there’s some hope for our outside shooting. Need more work to be more consistent.

Respect your opinion Mark, but not as optimistic re Dunn. Talking to local hoops guys who know him well, common view is he has never been a good shooter & hard to see him developing a consistent stroke.

Nothing would please me more to see that change & he may hit some threes occasionally, like Vermont crucial shot, but I just don’t see it. Slashing has always be his game. If he develops a better feel for driving and dishing that seems a more reasonable area of development imo.


Agree he will always be a slasher first, that’s clearly his strength, but still think he can develop a decent enough outside shot to keep opposing defenses honest. Not sure if CMA’s instructions were for him to shoot if open, but I sure didn’t see any hesitation by Dunn when he had an open look. Don’t think he’s got terrible form. We’ll see if he can improve.
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Caraher has to get himself free and all need to shoot high % basically we stink shooting the 3 and unless we improve which Idoubt we can up our shooting %/ now in confr play I could see us with many in confr loses,Sur hope I am wrong We hustle and play hard better than most teams but we need to put the ball in the blaster from 3

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