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Pitino to Iona 2 months 2 weeks ago #385670

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I don't see a close game at the end .I do believe the NY media, with the national audience that Kentucky draws anywhere will create the hype needed for a MSG Pitino vs Kentucky, into a game attractive for ESPN or CBS to get nice profitable audience..
. Iona will be decent enough to stick for a half probably but that's not the issue. The only points that matter is whether the advertisers of beer and cars etc can be convinced that people will watch The Fall and Rise of Rick Pitino (vs his old Kentucky home).

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Pitino to Iona 1 month 3 weeks ago #386977

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Allegations prove St. John’s basketball made right decision on Rick Pitino
by Kevin Connelly, St. John's University class of 2020

stormthepaint.com/2020/05/04/allegations...ecision-rick-pitino/
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Pitino to Iona 1 month 3 weeks ago #387000

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otis wrote: Allegations prove St. John’s basketball made right decision on Rick Pitino
by Kevin Connelly, St. John's University class of 2020

stormthepaint.com/2020/05/04/allegations...ecision-rick-pitino/

So let me get this straight... we passed on Cluess (my choice) iwhich due to unfortunate circumstances turned out to be the right move. And we passed on Slick because of past indiscretions and got it right again. Something doesn’t seem right to me here
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Pitino to Iona 1 month 3 weeks ago #387001

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Not sure Rick getting a slap on wrist e.g. banned from first 5 games of season and a stern talking to means it would've been "a bad decision" had he been here. We all know that the NCAA will do nothing serious to him. If Iona lost 3 scholarships, banned for next 5 yrs from postseason play and fined him big time, now THEN it would be a bad decision. But they don't give real penalties. Hate to say it but they look the other way and many other programs ahead of us know this. That's why they don't care. Any slap on the wrist is worth a HOF coach assuming they win. Win at any cost is the name of the game. Kentucky, Kansas, Seton Hall, Syracuse, etc. understand this. If recruits still go to Penn State after what happened, believe me when I tell you that most big time recruits won't be turned off as long as you win. Do I want it to be that way? No but sadly true.

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Pitino to Iona 1 month 3 weeks ago #387002

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Mike Zaun wrote: Not sure Rick getting a slap on wrist e.g. banned from first 5 games of season and a stern talking to means it would've been "a bad decision" had he been here. We all know that the NCAA will do nothing serious to him. If Iona lost 3 scholarships, banned for next 5 yrs from postseason play and fined him big time, now THEN it would be a bad decision. But they don't give real penalties. Hate to say it but they look the other way and many other programs ahead of us know this. That's why they don't care. Any slap on the wrist is worth a HOF coach assuming they win. Win at any cost is the name of the game. Kentucky, Kansas, Seton Hall, Syracuse, etc. understand this. If recruits still go to Penn State after what happened, believe me when I tell you that most big time recruits won't be turned off as long as you win. Do I want it to be that way? No but sadly true.


Dear Mike there is so much truth in your post but comparing Seton Hall to Kentucky, Kansas and Syracuse is just so incorrect. The Hall got Delgado and the kid from Lincoln through their high school and AAU coaches but they are not in the same league of cheaters as those other three or Kansas, Arizona , Duke etc. If they were , and notwithstanding their long tournament run their recruiting would be much better than it has been the past few seasons. The fact that their recruiting has been so average at best dispels your theory.

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Pitino to Iona 1 month 3 weeks ago #387007

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Well, since I'm pretty certian Pitino was not on any short list of potential st. john's hires, highly likely not on any long list, and pretty likely his name if it came up (which I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't) took all of about 30 seconds to dismiss.

The AD at Iona knew the risk reward, and as soon as administration agreed to speak to Pitino, one thing Rick still has is charm and passion. His ability to sell has been honed over 40 years of wooing top notch talent to his programs, getting the Celtics to drop a bundle on him, and getting hired for just about any job that he wanted.

Rick tells a story about his first date with his wife as a teenager, where he promised he would take her out for a steak dinner. Visions of Peter Lugers or some other renowned high end place that teens usually don't dine at danced in her head. Where did they end up going? Ponderosa.

Iona is a Ponderosa among the high Div 1 steakhouses Pitino would have much preferred. He came to the realization that no big time program would go near him, and that even the unsuccessful wannabes in the high D1 leagues weren't calling either.

He's at Iona now because that's the best he could get. No other reason. No one would touch him. We blamed St. John's and even Mike Jarvis for some incredibly stupid decisions that some players made that night in Pittsburgh when they hired a hooker, and compounded it when they decided not to pay her. Imagine now if a head coach was aware that hookers were being hired to seduce HS recruits to coming to his school. We lamented over Keita's revelation that he was getting an extra $300 per month in expense money from Jarvis. Compare that to Pitino being aware that his best players were paid $150,000 or whatever it was to come to Louisville. Forget even that he got a cocktail waitress pregnant, but the after story was that Pitino encouraged his assistant to marry her.

Maybe Pitino did what a lot of top programs were doing - allow shoe companies to buy players for top schools. Maybe he saw that mountain to steep to climb by words alone, even from perhaps the best recruiter of his era.

When you package all of those indiscretions together, Pitino becomes a pariah.

I do understand in our landscape, we are forced to choose our leaders among some candidates who have been accused of some pretty horrible things. We are dismissive because we dislike what we perceive the other side really stands for. In all, we've become anesthetized to their indiscretions by moral relativity. "What my guys has done or is accused of doing doesn't compare to what the other side's guy has done"

This modern day erosion of values spills into all aspects of our lives. A generation ago, we still loved certain musicians and performing artists who behaved badly, because, well, it didn't have much to do with the art that they created. Perhaps that's even an acceptable position. A rock or rap star may have a criminal record, drug history, or any numbers of indiscretions that are distasteful but their music was still great.

However a guy like Pitino brought all of those distasteful aspects to work with him to gain a competitive advantage, to get the best players that the best coach could hone into a champion.

I'm reminded of two comments from great coaches. We repeat the Frank McGuire line here all the time, "I'll get the players and you coach, and I'll beat you every time." John Wooden was once asked if he was the greatest basketball coach in America. He said "I'm certain I'm not." Who then? "It is almost certainly some guy you never heard of, coaching in high school or even youth leagues somewhere. You never heard of him because he never had the talent, but he was still the greatest coach anywhere. I had the talent to win"

Yea many coaches cheat. Yea, Pitino would have put us quickly back near the top of the Big East. For SJU and just about every other big time program, the price was too high.
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Pitino to Iona 1 month 3 weeks ago #387011

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I understand and agree for the most part,but our criminal justice system sayS a person is guilty And a punishment is set and that person does the time based on the crime he should then not have that over his head for life so as not being able to be employed esp if it was yrs in the past. Sentences length of them should be examined and rules changed for Expungement after X amt of yrs have pasted with out any further crimes (except for certain serious crimes)a person record Should be cleared and be able to live a normal life and not effect employment.

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usguard wrote: I understand and agree for the most part,but our criminal justice system sayS a person is guilty And a punishment is set and that person does the time based on the crime he should then not have that over his head for life so as not being able to be employed esp if it was yrs in the past. Sentences length of them should be examined and rules changed for Expungement after X amt of yrs have pasted with out any further crimes (except for certain serious crimes)a person record Should be cleared and be able to live a normal life and not effect employment.[/quote

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usguard wrote: I understand and agree for the most part,but our criminal justice system sayS a person is guilty And a punishment is set and that person does the time based on the crime he should then not have that over his head for life so as not being able to be employed esp if it was yrs in the past. Sentences length of them should be examined and rules changed for Expungement after X amt of yrs have pasted with out any further crimes (except for certain serious crimes)a person record Should be cleared and be able to live a normal life and not effect employment.


If a Catholic University does not consider character in choosing the role models it puts before students, what institution should?
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fuchsia wrote:

usguard wrote: I understand and agree for the most part,but our criminal justice system sayS a person is guilty And a punishment is set and that person does the time based on the crime he should then not have that over his head for life so as not being able to be employed esp if it was yrs in the past. Sentences length of them should be examined and rules changed for Expungement after X amt of yrs have pasted with out any further crimes (except for certain serious crimes)a person record Should be cleared and be able to live a normal life and not effect employment.


If a Catholic University does not consider character in choosing the role models it puts before students, what institution should?


That's a great discussion I'd like to have with you in 75 degree weather, a pitcher or two of beers, and palm trees swaying in the breeze.

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